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Euro 2024 Debate Show w/ Tobias & Cubzy
Join us on this electrifying episode of the Real Shxx Podcast, where we, along with special guests Tobias and Cubzy discuss all things Euro 2024; we'll break down the key contenders like France, Portugal and Germany and dive into the potential dark horses, such as Denmark, Croatia, Serbia, and Spain. Don't miss our insights on the cohesive dynamics and pivotal stars of these under-the-radar teams.
We'll explore the tactical roles and potential configurations in the current England squad involving stars like Declan Rice, Jude Bellingham, and Phil Foden and new young talents poised to make their mark . Our debate on England's attacking options and the chemistry between key players promises to be riveting.
Plus, get our bold predictions on the Euro 2024 winners and the Golden Boot contenders, with a spotlight on Cristiano Ronaldo's enduring legacy in the beautiful game.
Welcome everybody to the Riiiish Podcast with your host, Mr Wills. What a show we've got for you today A big show, big guests, big personality. We're going to be talking about the European Championships and what we're going to do. We're going to have a preview show of the highest level. I've got two special guests. I'm so excited to have them Introduce yourself.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the real shit, cobbsy, you can't be keep doing that. Can you Tell him, Cobbsy, it's Tobias back to give you the real shit podcast. Give you some real opinions about the new upcoming Euros.
Speaker 3:Yes, people, it's me Cobbsy. Respect for the invite. Oh, it's a pleasure having you. You've been a big supporter of the show. No-transcript got a strong squad, Portugal, very, very strong squad as well, and France you've got to say France Well my opinion is France, you get me.
Speaker 1:Top, top, top teams, all three of them Tobias.
Speaker 2:I agree with two of them France and Portugal. Great, great squads all over. Depth of squads, managers as well, great managers. But my third one would be Germany. Just seeing their squad, what their midfielders are, what their defenders are and also keeper, yeah, I think they've got a frightening chance of potentially winning this Euros.
Speaker 1:So here's where I'm at with the European Championship. There's it's a very open tournament for me, because world stars there ain't much really lighting up top, top players in my opinion. But for me, these tournaments if you look at the past winners it's about midfield control. That's where I'm. I'm a bit unsure about England because you need a general in there, and I'm not talking about a tackling general, I'm talking about a pass master. You, you know, germany have got Kroos. Now Kroos has come out of retirement. That is huge for Germany, you know. You've got Portugal Vitinha. He's the new and up and coming pass master. You know, there's other teams. You've got Spain, rodri, you know, and Rodri's the ultimate pass master.
Speaker 1:And when you're playing in a tournament after a season, players are tired, you know, and keeping the ball is paramount. That's why Croatia always do so well in these tournaments, because Modric, kovacic, brozovic, what do they do? They keep the ball. So, yes, you've got to go with your certain favourites. I agree with Kubz, to be honest, they're my three France, portugal, england. But it's definitely very open and that's where the dark horse is coming, you know. So, yeah, it's very open. So it comes usually dark horses.
Speaker 3:Dark horses, oh, you know, denmark, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you got Ericsson, just like you were saying he can pass the ball, pass the ball. You know what I'm saying. You got Rasmus.
Speaker 1:Yes, and Rasmus, he's internationally proven.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Good striker. So yeah, they're one of my dark horses.
Speaker 1:Christensen at the back. Go, bro, there you go. You know what I'm saying. So they always do well. Yeah, mark, you know what I'm saying. They're always a strong team, just like croatia. You know, they've got that sort of bond, don't they? Now I don't know what it is. It's like players, top players, but team. It's like team over individual, isn't it?
Speaker 3:exactly. Yeah. Yeah, they ain't got the one star boy, but they work together as a team. They've got the chemistry. You know what I work together as a team. They got the chemistry. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:And a slight bit of stardust. Yeah, yeah, that's all you need, don't?
Speaker 3:you Exactly exactly, and so one of my other dark horse would be Croatia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, just the two, I'd have to say to myself that I'm looking at Serbia. That's one. I'm looking at their midfielders and their attackers and I feel like, even though you were saying about having the ball, I think that team will thrive on the battling side of the game. They have ballplayers as well, with Savic and their man in the midfielders, and obviously their attackers are obviously looking at Mitrovic, vlaevic and Tavic and looking at Vlaevic yeah.
Speaker 2:And Tavic and Jovic Vlaevic yeah, vlaevic as well. You know what I mean Juventus striker doing well this season. And then my second one would be Spain. I think people are probably underestimating Spain because they're an up-and-coming squad with young players, but I think Spain will potentially shock a lot of teams this tournament. So yeah, they're my two, to be fair.
Speaker 1:Right. For me, the dark horses. I think you have to put Spain in there, but that group they're in. It's brutal. You know that is one of the most brutalist groups you're going to be in. To be honest with you, italy, isn't it? You've got Croatia, italy, spain, albania. It's brutal.
Speaker 3:What's that? Group B? Group B, yes.
Speaker 1:I mean that is, you know, that is no joke of a group. Yeah, that's no joke. You know, you've got probably three of your dark horses in that one group. So to me, I want to go with Spain, but I'm worried about them. To be honest, bro, to be honest I'm going to go with this, my two dark horses. One is Belgium.
Speaker 2:And you might say why I was about to say why They've still got up front.
Speaker 1:they've still got real quality. You know, when you've got De Bruyne in behind Lukaku and you've got Doku on the wing and you're in a group of you Romania, ukraine and Slovakia them men will be fancy themselves to get out of that group very easily.
Speaker 3:Yeah, looking at that group, I'd say very, very easily bro.
Speaker 2:But coming out of the group, yeah, they're expected to win that group, but will they prevail any further?
Speaker 1:but you know if you don't know how the tournament runs. If you are top you face potentially one of the third. You know because some of the groups three teams go through so you've got a chance to get one of the easier teams by topping the group you know and a group like Italy, spain, croatia. You don't really know who's going to finish top.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true, that's true so for me.
Speaker 2:I feel like if Belgium played any of them three teams, I think that'd be a tough game for them.
Speaker 1:But they've got still, they've got real quality.
Speaker 2:I hear that but a judas name, but with kaku and kevin I think they're com, they're they're ending like even kevin's talking about going to saudi, yeah, but then we're talking about modric.
Speaker 1:He's 38.
Speaker 2:But that's a player. That's the player about real, real quality yeah, but modric. And have you seen tony crowe? Have you seen?
Speaker 1:le carfus international record, that's the man 85 international goals, though supreme uh lukaku 85 international goals he's got for Belgium.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's serious Goal scorer, that's serious business Do you know what I mean so. Just looking at their forwards now. So Lukaku, daku Trossard I forgot about one man as well. Bro, you know, they've got Anana.
Speaker 1:Tillemans. Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm not saying they're rare, but we're talking about dark horses here, ain't we?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so they've got a young squad and that's what they've obviously went for. Obviously you've got Witzel and obviously De Bruyne and that looking for the experience, but their squad's relatively young.
Speaker 1:but like they're looking at as defenders, but I watched them against England in Wembley. De Bruyne wasn't playing that game and he snuck a 1-1 result and it was England was battering them. And it's only a friendly. I say, but you still. I take a lot from pattern of play or what the teams are going to do but that's why England's not in my top three or three but they were in mine.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, I'm just yeah, I'm trying to say England have won one of last five games they've played, so to to use England as an example for Belgium.
Speaker 1:It's crazy, because England haven't really done well in no games, except for when they won against Bosnia 3-0 yeah but we're talking about you know what I mean, you're going to look worrier right now, you know what I mean, but you picked Well, we both picked them, I know I know I found force.
Speaker 2:I know I was forced.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean you dark horse. Let me change that.
Speaker 2:Let me change that Yo.
Speaker 3:I wish I picked Germany as well.
Speaker 1:Man, oh, I'm going to go with Belgium. I'm going to pick three dark horses. I was desperately going to pick the Netherlands, desperately going to pick the Netherlands. The Netherlands, to me, probably got the best defence in the tournament and the options. They've got. Van Dijk, they've got Ake.
Speaker 3:They've got David.
Speaker 1:Van de Veen, they've got Fringpong on the wing, you know.
Speaker 3:I forgot about Fringpong. You know, you on the wing, you know I forgot about Frimpong, you know. You know what I'm saying he's serious.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Xavi Simmonds in the hole, and then he had obviously got Gagpo and Depay trying to score goals. But to me, I've looked today and they've had a big blow. Frankie Deong and Cooper Miners are injured and they're out of the. I started off talking about controlling the ball and he's one of the best, isn't he?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was with my good friends where he says he's the highest paid player in Spain.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So that proves how top level Frankie De Jong is. Do you know what I mean? So, I can't go with the Netherlands unfortunately, netherlands unfortunately.
Speaker 3:I think that's such a big blow. But the thing with the Netherlands, bro, like you, said they've got the best defense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and tournaments is, they're defensive. You know what I'm saying? A lot of control.
Speaker 3:You know, if they had Frankie, I'd have them right in the dark horses, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I would know one and Cooper.
Speaker 1:You know Cooper Miners, but I think there's teams where you're watching Cooper Miners for Atalanta. A lot of big teams Are interested in him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, he scores a lot of goals.
Speaker 1:He's box to box. He's the new. You know he's that. He's that type, you know he's that type of Bellingham. Yeah, yeah but obviously Because Bellingham, we're in England, bellingham's Bellingham.
Speaker 2:Do you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying to you yeah, so, but yeah, I'm going to go with Germany, I'm going to pick two, I'm going to go three. Actually I'm going to go Belgium, germany, because the Germans to me they're not even dark horses really, but I'm going to put them underneath because recently in tournaments they've not been delivering. But if you're asking me about midfield and control Tony Kroos, moussa Lala Witzel yeah, yeah that's control that's big business.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's control.
Speaker 2:Rudiger at the back and at home as well, home tournament and home tournament yeah, big business, you've got Havertz.
Speaker 1:Sane thing about this is why I don't think they're afraid, because Sane is so predictable unpredictable you don't know what you're going much more from leroy sana, but he doesn't seem to give you. So yeah, and I'm going for spain as diva dark horse because, like I said, one person, rodri rodri you know, yeah, but is he going to be able to? Rod you rodri rodri in this team. Bro, rodri rodri is a roger mate I I I put them in because of their, their whole squad.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm going to be honest, I haven't watched Because, if I look at the main, squad.
Speaker 2:I look at their centre backs. They've got Calvajal, nacho Laporte, and obviously the left back Ain't the greatest, but, cucurella, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he's not. He's not bad, he's not End of the season. I'm not discrediting, but I'm saying Is he starting though? I didn't know he was starting. Yeah, he's starting you look at the midfield.
Speaker 2:They're still taking. They got Pedri there.
Speaker 1:But what I will say? I'm going to ask you a question all yours. Name me. Another good left back in the tournament.
Speaker 3:Another good left back in the tournament.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's the question I'm asking you. Luke Shaw has not been playing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he's playing. Yeah, but you can't you know?
Speaker 1:if you play football, you know you just can't come and play competitive games after four or five months and be up to top speed. That's borderline impossible, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Mendy or France.
Speaker 1:Nah, sorry, there is one top player, thierry Hernandez. Other than Thierry Hernandez, who's top I'm?
Speaker 2:calling Mendy. You can't knock, he just Ferland.
Speaker 1:Mendy doesn't play Over Thierry Hernandez. That's fact. Do you know what I mean? But you just asked.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying You're talking about Top players. No, you're talking about Top players. Yeah, yeah, but he didn't play.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. What I'm saying is that Cucurello is good enough, at good enough standards, to win A European Championship. Remember who they had at left back? Do you remember? Emerson, yeah yeah. West Ham, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Do you know?
Speaker 1:what I mean, but you know what?
Speaker 3:There's hardly any left backs anyway. That's what I'm saying, the argument about.
Speaker 1:Kukurela is yo, he's good enough to do a job. Does he normally play left back? Yeah, he does play left back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, of course, league, and when I think he's done a double, like this season he's done really well and with Spain, like I've said, like I've finished, let me finish Lamar, you know that's probably potential star of the tournament Lamar, lamar and Williams on the wing. That serious pace and creativity of high level and obviously with Pedri in there as well. That Stardust, pedri in there as well, that's Stardust. You know, pedri, he's Stardust. You know he's had a lot of injuries and whatever. But when you talk about technical ability, you know people talk about Foden, but they need to be watching Pedri. Do you know what I'm?
Speaker 3:saying yeah, yeah, you know that's technical.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Technical. That's the thing with this tournament, bro. There's a lot of serious players, bro.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, who don't get the respect? There's a lot of serious young players this is the thing they're just scattered about.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of young players on show, Even Yamao, who plays for Barca Like. You know what I mean, that's a. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:A lot of young 16.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of young 200 million people are looking to pay for it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. But they've got a billion buyout clause on them or something, and he starts Nico.
Speaker 1:Williams is somebody who wow. Nico Williams is somebody who ain't at that level, but he's dangerous pace, power, great finish and obviously Morata, the old stage up front. He nicks a goal or two. Like I said, they're underneath the frames because, like I said, they're not you worry about what if one of them gets injured. You know you've got people like that's all it takes, bro, or? Rosie perez is in the squad they still got us to lose.
Speaker 2:Man listen, they got a lot of salute. Yo absolutely coming through for against raven. Did you know? Yo, yo, so you gotta be careful. I mean you have to. Might not even start us, you might get that nod. I mean they might think careful. You know what I mean. Marata might not even start. Arsenal might get that nod you know what I mean they might be thinking yeah, you know what, you can do it for Real Madrid, you can do it for your country. It's true still.
Speaker 3:It's true.
Speaker 2:But why it's gonna be interesting, like I said. But, like I said, I think the top, the underdogs, are quite similar, because you've got Obviously Spain, because you've got obviously Spain, germany.
Speaker 1:I think we've got the same Spain, belgium, belgium and Germany and Germany they're the ones under the three that we said. What did I say? Denmark?
Speaker 3:and Croatia, nah, but I thought this was like proper, like yeah, nah you, you might have said top teams nah, but you might have said top teams bro. You might have said top teams Nah, nah, but you might have said top teams, bro you might have said Spain, germany. For underdog that's not underdog.
Speaker 2:I said Serbia. I said Serbia, yeah, but like Same thing innit. I said Serbia. You know what I'm saying, though. I said Serbia, and I said Spain, but I can't. Spain's a top team bro, they're World Cup winners. But when I'm saying Spain yeah, I'm saying Spain I'm saying people don't even put if you look at the betting. Spain's not even in probably the top 10. They've probably got France, england.
Speaker 3:Belgium.
Speaker 2:Italy, netherlands, portugal, germany, so that's seven, so they're below all of them teams, isn't it? That's why I'm saying Spain's an underdog? Because I don't think anyone's looking at the Spain team and saying yo, there's some top players in there, yeah, but that's Spain.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:I hear that it's like Germany in the last World Cup. Everyone was like Even though Germany are home.
Speaker 1:They're getting that home vote, aren't they? Nobody's really, you know, nobody's really respected them Like I said because we're in England, everybody's talking about England and, yes, like I said, england they're in the favourites you have to put for me you have to put them in the favourites because of some of the players, yeah, but I feel Germany, spain, italy. I mean, if I look back now, I might take England out and put Germany in.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I'm going to do that. Don't start changing your ideas now you know what I mean. You had enough time to make these alright, alright, alright. You know what I mean. Germany is still in my tag team, make sure you remember.
Speaker 3:I didn't have any time to think about these. These come off the top of my head but I still feel my dark horses would still be Denmark. Like I said, semifinals last time.
Speaker 1:You know they've got the players. I'm not disagreeing, right, we're going to go with the winners. Now, who do you think is going to win Kubzi, the whole tournament, and why?
Speaker 3:I feel like are going to win it bro why, the squad, the squad's crazy bro.
Speaker 1:Talk us through it.
Speaker 3:So what you got?
Speaker 1:obviously, ronaldo, yes you still believe he can do it yeah, man, it's Ronaldo.
Speaker 3:Bro, you know what I'm saying. This is last one, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is last one, yeah, yeah, you know you won't get no bigger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah from me. I do worry about the powers on the way you know. Wayne though even though I've always been his biggest fan 22 years of it, you know, yeah, it's crazy, 22 years. I remember when I was 17 and he was playing, and you know, I'm nearly 40, he's nearly 40, they're like yo, it's 22 years.
Speaker 3:King. The thing is I don't watch him in Saudi or anything like that. You know what I'm saying. So I don't know how he's playing right now, but it's.
Speaker 1:Ronaldo. Is there ever been a bigger thing on TV when he's on TV?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, there's nothing like it no no, no, it's sport and entertainment, isn't it, yo? Highest level, top of top, top of top. You know what I'm saying. But, like I said, you've got Ronaldo, you've got Jota, we got I'm thinking United players first, obviously, dalot, yeah very much improved. Yeah, what's the youth's name from Fulham Paulinia?
Speaker 1:Paulinia, yes already.
Speaker 3:There's not, no, there's more, there's more. Who else man you got?
Speaker 1:Neto Neto Rafael Leal yeah, leal, come on.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean.
Speaker 1:Bernardo Silva.
Speaker 3:Bernardo Silva.
Speaker 1:Bernardo Silva, ruben Diaz Diaz, yo Joao Cancelo. That's what I'm saying Junior Mendes.
Speaker 3:Yo, this ultimate team, fifa ultimate team. You know what I'm saying. So it's proper things, bro. You know what? They've got a serious squad. Obviously, I haven't watched much of them. To say, you know, I like the style of play in Redhead because I watched a few highlights from them the other day, but I just got a feeling with that type of squad, there's no reason why you can't win the Euros with that type of squad, bro, like people are saying with England.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, but I think they've got a better squad than England.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 100%, 100, 100%, bro, and what and what.
Speaker 1:Why I worry about England is the caps yeah, okay, you know, and it's a big. I put them in the favourites because I feel like they they will get through to the quarters.
Speaker 3:Yeah do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:so I do think, I don't think England will have a problem getting through to the quarters. But I do worry about the ball retention and the caps and I worry about the goals. And you might say what do you mean about the goals? But I'm talking, you know. People like Foden have only scored three times for England. Bellingham's only scored three times for.
Speaker 3:England. This is the thing. You haven't seen Foden turn up for England yet I was thinking that the other day. You know, you've got Palmer.
Speaker 1:He's only had one couple caps, eze couple Caps, gordon couple Caps. These are Mainu. Mainu couple Caps.
Speaker 3:It's a lot, isn't it To?
Speaker 1:put on these players, and I always think with Declan Rice as well. I personally think Declan Rice is better next to a ball-playing, play-making defensive type player. I think he's a more all-round midfielder than a sitter.
Speaker 3:So you play more in the eight.
Speaker 1:I don't think he likes it and I don't think that he gets the best out of himself in that role. Yeah, yeah, so I also think he's when it comes to receiving the ball off the back off the defender and all them type of things. He ain't.
Speaker 3:He ain't J Jorginho no, no, no, you know. And.
Speaker 1:Jorginho, you know, is his partner at Arsenal. But they've got, they just know how to receive the ball play it, move it, play it. You know keeping things ticking over. Do you know what I?
Speaker 3:mean yeah, but then the thing is, who else would you play in that position, in that squad?
Speaker 1:but that's the problem, isn't it? Yeah there, you know, wharton Mainu, I love Mainu, but if you watch Mainu play you know, we're all man United fans. Yeah, kobe Mainu, he's got a style of football which you know. I remember Rio Ferdinand saying he's more Seedorf than Reb. If you remember Seedorf, seedorf played his best with who?
Speaker 1:Pirlo yeah and what's not saying oh we ain't a top player, but I feel like you need somebody next to him. You can go one touch, two touch. One touch, two touch, because if everybody's taking two touch, defences get back into position and it's harder to break down. Do you know what I'm saying? Tim, yeah, yeah so that's, that's my thing, that's my worry with England, do you know?
Speaker 3:what I mean. But then the thing is Mainu. I don't think Mainu will be starting like that anyway who do you think will? Start. What next to it next? To Rice what I would do. You mean, what I would do yeah yeah it's your opinion. I'd have Rice Bellingham Foden Okay.
Speaker 1:I'd run it like that as a triangle yeah. So who's the ball player there then?
Speaker 3:Well, more as like a Playing Foden, more as an attacker, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Pushing him up further.
Speaker 1:You think Jude could do that role more as an attacker. Yeah, you know what I'm saying Pushing him up further, but Jude can do that role. Yeah. Yeah, you think he's out of sync in that role.
Speaker 3:Yes, he probably would be, but I think he can play that role he might be.
Speaker 1:So, being out of sync, you just think you just throw him in and yeah, but I feel like everyone's out of sync in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I think all international teams are like that. They don't train together like that do they.
Speaker 1:I'm a big believer in player profile.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what do you mean, so like?
Speaker 1:player profile is like you know what you're going to get from the player.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, yeah, so with England.
Speaker 1:They seem to the media now. They just play players and the players are just going to play well. Yeah, yeah, but the players are just going to play well, yeah, yeah, but the players don't give a certain type of player profile, which is required to help the other player.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, does that make sense, you?
Speaker 1:know, like I big you know people used to talk about Calvin Phillips and why Southgate used to pick him.
Speaker 2:It's a simple role.
Speaker 1:Why he used to get picked?
Speaker 2:He used to do the job.
Speaker 3:He's a centre midfielder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know he ain't an attacker.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, he ain't a defence midfielder, he's just a centre midfielder.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he plays his role, His trade is I know how to play centre midfield.
Speaker 1:I don't take 20 touches of the ball. I just play a couple touches. I can play it. He in the Euros, he was the player of the tournament for England, nah, but I don't think it's going to be a big miss.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say it's a big miss, but the problem, I think who would you rather in that role, jude or?
Speaker 1:yeah, but Jude, remember Jude went to the Euros. You know, yeah, but this is yeah, but Jude. But still, the player profile of Jude is box to box.
Speaker 2:I just think that England just don't have, like he was saying about player profile, players which actually play in the system they play. So, everyone's asking and, like I was saying to someone earlier about England, think their golden boys are really golden, but they're not golden Like Rooney was a golden talent.
Speaker 2:You could take Rooney to the Euros, and he performed on his own. I look at Foden, who people call the golden boy. I look at Parma and I don't see them going against the big boys France, portugal, spain, italy, netherlands. Any of them are saying you know what? I'm going to batter these players because international football is completely different to club football. I think club managers are managing the squad every day, so they're getting the best system out of them, but these, yes, yes, I agree, oh yeah, yeah, 100% when it comes to international they don't.
Speaker 2:that's why Ronaldo is going to Portugal, is in the Portugal squad, because the manager knows you can score goals still. But I don't think, and everyone else, they know their role. Like, if Ronaldo's playing, everyone knows that's the role we're going to play Rear, tear, tear.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But then if they put Ramos up front, they know that they've got a new system to play. Yeah, yeah, but that's why I feel like, with a lot with the England squad, they don't have their players, what they have, who are great individuals, I don't think they're great as a collective.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but remember, this is a new squad innit. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying England's going to win this thing, but I don't think they are.
Speaker 1:We do talk about England, you know we are English. I think it's good that we talk about them. I think it's good that we explain.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if they're favourites, I mean.
Speaker 3:but two of us did. I feel like I have to put them in my favourites.
Speaker 2:I hear that but to have them as top three. I just don third in this tournament, yeah, but I think it's very possible.
Speaker 3:It's very possible, it's very possible.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I think you know I've looked at. If they top the group, they play one of the third place teams as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know whoever's in the group. So they've got a chance to get nicely into the semifinals quarters. You know what I'm saying. Underdogs, yeah, but, like I said, denmark and Serbia, and I think underdogs could do it, and that group is not as easy as what it's meant to be, but, and obviously at the back as well, it's a problem, isn't it?
Speaker 3:England definitely bro, I mean.
Speaker 1:Esri Konza yeah. Mark Geyi. Good players, yeah, they're good players overhyped. No good players overhyped. No good players overhyped, but to go to your.
Speaker 2:No one does it ever.
Speaker 3:England have always had top.
Speaker 1:I feel like they're top players England's always had top defenders, haven't they top, top or top John?
Speaker 3:Terry Ferdinand Maguire's gonna be a big miss. Oh, huge, massive, huge, big, big miss. Scores goals as well. Yeah, mag, that's what you need and Stones is very injury-prone. Yeah, didn't he have a knock the other day?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he's very injury-prone. I'm sure he's not playing. Trippier looks hot. I mean, I know what I'd personally do in the squad. You said you didn't finish off with your front three. Sorry, you didn't finish off with your front three.
Speaker 3:My front three for England.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So you said you're so Kane up front yes um Saka on the right and see in a different set up. I play Felden on the wing yeah, you know what I'm saying. He played in midfield, yeah but then you got to speak up. I don't rate Gordon bro he's a good player, he's a good player, but I don't think he's the guy Definitely not in Rashford, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely not in Rashford, though how are you going to leave Rashford and take Gordon? Bro? There's some disrespect. There's some disrespect, massive disrespect, because you know what it's disrespect for me and I get the chance to talk about it. He hardly scores any goals for France, or he hardly scores any goals for Paris. Saint-germain but you know what?
Speaker 3:France wouldn't drop him. You can't drop that calibre of player.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying England's best performances.
Speaker 1:The last year Rashford been involved. He's been starting Italy 3-1 at home. Rashford, Bellingham, Foden that was the front three and Kane. You know when they beat when they went to Scotland away from home and I thought it was a great performance against Scotland away from home at Hampden really good attacking performance.
Speaker 3:You know like.
Speaker 1:Rashford, again Bellingham, foden, kane you know, I think them three players actually like playing with each other yeah yeah, they've played with each other before. A good few times and played well. I like Grealish.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he shouldn't have been left either. Really, though, bro.
Speaker 1:What I'm trying to say about this is this bias thing, because people saying yo, everybody's going to miss Grealish, grealish, don't start games for England, where's the evidence of Grealish starting games for England. He's played more subs appearances than anyone and he's only scored two goals for England, so how is he going to be missed over Rashford?
Speaker 3:Oh, over Rashford, definitely Rashford's got 17 goals for. England 17. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Sterling, got you know. Sterling and Rashford are the two goals, the most goals in the Southgate under Kane.
Speaker 3:Oh, they're still now Sterling and Rashford over Grealish and Gordon Goals. You know what I'm saying and who you got on the back. I haven't done my front three. Did I say all my front three?
Speaker 1:No, sorry, sorry. What did I say?
Speaker 3:Saka Kane.
Speaker 1:You wanted to play Foden, didn't?
Speaker 3:you, yeah. So who else we got on the left wing? We've got Gordon. What other wingers we got? We've got Palmer can play on the wing. Do you play right wing now?
Speaker 1:innit, yeah we can adapt, maybe I would put Palmer in the team.
Speaker 3:To be fair, am I missing any of the wingers? I'm not, anyway, eze, eze, yeah, I don't know if I'd start my man at the moment, bro, I think I'd rather start Palmer over him yeah, so you'd go.
Speaker 1:What with Bowen? Jarrod Bowen? So I mean a man like that getting in the squad? Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, he's one of the few players I can guarantee that never comes on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's not going to. I don't think he'll ever come on, you know Leicester.
Speaker 1:England have won them two. Leicester England won them two games. You know at the start in the group and then in the third game. You know they rotate and they bring.
Speaker 2:He will not get a game won't, no, and that's why I can't believe he's been taken. Yeah, but that's the craziest thing, isn't it? That's why I I can't have them in my favorites, because you're looking at the england squad, galaga war and wharton, I mean like like a player, yeah, but come on like it's an experience. Yeah, but these are new guys bro like you're looking to say england, like, even though people are saying about henderson and whatnot like that's experience.
Speaker 2:Like if you're looking to say England, like, even though people are saying about Henderson and whatnot, like that's experience. Like if you're looking at their average age off their midfield, it's 23. I mean it's a young squad, even though their whole team is a young squad. You know what I mean. They've got very young, inexperienced players, like you were looking at. Like said Bowen, he's 27, bowen. You know what I mean yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Them man ain't even kicked their international ball before. You know what I mean like, and even when you watch them play against Iceland, they look shambolic you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna name him shambolic. That's harsh, that's harsh. Listen, not shambolic it.
Speaker 2:It's maybe not at the level we're quite, but that's the level, though if I'm watching you, if I'm watching you, it's like it's like being at man United if you're not performing, you're playing poorly. Yeah, but that's too harsh nah, it's not for me.
Speaker 1:I look at everything, like yo.
Speaker 3:I look at it and say yo, you want to hope the man don't listen to the show you know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, I just look at everything, it's just not what. I just look at England's squad and say If Saka gets injured or Kane gets injured, they're in trouble Goals. They're in trouble Goals. Because I don't Even though people are talking about Parma, I like him Foden I like him, I don't think they're going to score goals.
Speaker 3:I think this tournament Foden might be.
Speaker 2:Might be one of the Star boys, yeah, but.
Speaker 3:It's his time now. I feel, yeah, I hear that. I hear that.
Speaker 2:He's had a good season.
Speaker 3:He's had a good season. How old is?
Speaker 2:Foden.
Speaker 1:About 24, now 24 Big old Big age that's.
Speaker 2:Experienced player, that is.
Speaker 3:Been to the Euros In this day and age Been to the World.
Speaker 2:Cup, that's an experienced player.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but yeah. But look at Mbappé, he wasn't, he wasn't starting, he started against he got.
Speaker 1:He started against in the Euros, didn't he a few games?
Speaker 3:yeah, but I feel like in the World.
Speaker 1:Cup, remember it was. It was it was.
Speaker 3:Foden.
Speaker 1:Saka Bellino, if you remember.
Speaker 2:Kane against France, and then they paid poorly, didn't they?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah do you know what I mean? And yeah, that was that was the team.
Speaker 2:The thing about it is is that these players have like because he's playing.
Speaker 1:Henderson, if you remember, and Henderson played really well, didn't he in the World Cup? Really because, like I said, he just I think player profile is important. I keep stressing, you know what.
Speaker 3:I would have bought Henderson, you know that's what I'm saying, just for that? Yeah, because I'm looking at this squad now. Yeah, it's not a very experienced squad, is it, man Not?
Speaker 1:very experienced.
Speaker 3:Not at all, and the midfield don't look too amazing Midfield's very bare, very bare.
Speaker 2:If you're looking at the experience of winners as well. Yeah, you're looking at only really Walker, trippier Stones.
Speaker 1:I worry that, may Newman, because obviously they've brought Trent in. But I mean, this is how mad it is, yeah. Trent is meant to be playing centre midfield but how can he play centre midfield but he don't even play there for Liverpool?
Speaker 3:I was just about to say why is Trent in the midfield on here?
Speaker 1:But they're desperate to play him. Yeah, but why he's never played?
Speaker 2:there, yeah, that's what he played there once or twice for Liverpool, didn't he? They have no creativity in that midfield.
Speaker 1:No, it's not creativity, it's keeping the ball moving Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:That's why he's meant to be playing. No, because they're looking at what they've done for the Sorry.
Speaker 1:Against Iceland but he got the shirt. Before that he was in the squad as a midfielder. You know Southgate's plans to play Trent in midfield but, like I said, you know it's a big yeah. Like I said, I agree with everything you've said about my opinion in England is what I've said you know. If you're asking me what I think the starting line-up's going to be, let me tell you this now. This is my starting line-up's going to be. Let me tell you this now this is my starting line-up for the first game. Pick for the goal I'm playing Kyle Walker left-back.
Speaker 3:Left-back. Left-back.
Speaker 1:Why is Trippier playing left-back but Kyle Walker can't play left-back? I'm playing Trent Arnold right-back Because that's where he plays. If you've seen the goal when he come on and scored against Bosnia, where was Trent playing Right back? You can't have two 34-year-olds playing at the back and looking to get forward. It doesn't work like that does it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but how does Trent match up against some of these wingers in this?
Speaker 1:I'm talking about starting the first game. Trent's playing right back for me with Walker left back. I'm going with Stones and Gehi. I like Mark Gehi. There's nothing wrong with him, but there's unexperience there. He's solid. He'll do a good job In midfield. I'm going to go with, even though it might sound a bit like you're worried about it because the options are so bare. I'm going with Rice and Mainu. But the thing about Mainu, I will tell him which he does like at man United and I watch a lot of game discipline. Kobe doesn't pick up runners because he so wants to play football.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'd ask him, and I'd be working with him for the last week and a half and I would say to him Kobe, kobe, sorry, just stay in your position and play, because you know he can do that if you ask him, but because he wants to play and get on the ball a lot.
Speaker 3:He just forgets where he is sometimes. Do you know what I mean? That's why you can't play him in the six, like they were trying to do before. But I think if you can, teach him.
Speaker 1:You know, he's young, isn't?
Speaker 3:he, yeah, yeah, that's what, yeah, you know, like, you know, like it's moldable, it's cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know just teaching.
Speaker 1:You know Tangard struggled to teach and Southgate, you know, might be able to say after a week of trading, just sit, just play. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and I'm going to go with Bellingham in front with 10. Okay, yeah, forward and left wing. What that does lack is pace, obviously, but you hope that the front four can connect.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Obviously, you know we're big Rashford fans I am but yeah, his form's been bad, but it's his player profile that's going to be missed. Dem runs in behind, dem threatening in behind. Because if he threatens in behind, what does Kane like to do now? Kane don't like to sit up front he likes to go into the hole.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what I was about. Literally just about to say I didn't want to cut you, but um, if I was going to play that attack, like you just said, it wouldn't happen. But I'll drop kane and play ollie watkins instead but that's a good option.
Speaker 1:But you can see what you mean about the player profile you want somebody to to stretch him behind don't you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. To create space for the top player, Because you've got Bellingham there as well. He's going to be. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Bellingham will make a big difference to the team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because his work rate is exceptional. You know he is box to box at our highest level, you know what. I mean At the highest level. So that's what I'd go with. I do worry about, like I said, the lack of the lack of a playmaker and the lack of dynamism up front. You know it's a big worry for me, but yeah, that's what, that's my theme. What's your team selection for?
Speaker 2:England. So you standardly go pick foot and goal Walker right back, left back, left back starts Shaw, even if he's injured, while coming back from injuries.
Speaker 1:you just you've taken yeah, he's out. He's injured.
Speaker 2:No, he's back no, he's back training.
Speaker 1:Ok, he's back training today straight back in.
Speaker 2:He's back training with Stones as well and yeah, stones and Shaw are back training today. So you go Shaw left back. You'd go Stones and I go Dunk because Stones and I go Dunk because you want some. You know what I mean, dunk.
Speaker 1:Lewis.
Speaker 3:Dunk for who you're.
Speaker 2:You're over Gahee. Oh, fair enough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Stones and Dunk.
Speaker 2:He's in the squad because you're getting Gahee, but he's inexperienced. He's not really everyone's talking about this season and last season, but really and truly so what's Dunk's experience? They've been European football. They've been playing European football Brighton okay have they not? Yeah, yeah, dunk Gay, he has not had no levels to be tested that's true so Dunk is an experienced, experienced, 32 year old centre back okay so he will know how to play football there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's why I go Gahee, Even though Gahee can play and whatever. I just think if you've not got the players, you've got Stones there. Who's going to drift with the ball. I think Donk is going to be a good centre-back to read the game smartly, not get caught out, but is he quick? Enough. He's not, but, like I said, he's quick enough. But that's why you've got Shaw and Fingy to cover.
Speaker 1:Shaw's not fit.
Speaker 2:Like I said, shaw team you carry on, but they're there if they've gone to the Euros, they're fit enough alright, you go my midfield would be.
Speaker 2:You'd have to just basically go as a Rice and Mainu, because I think you're looking at the squad. There's not really other options. Like you said, you'll get one of them to sit and one of them to go, and then, if everyone wants to go, that one sits and they just have to communicate. If they don't communicate, that's going to be a big issue for their centre-backs, where you might be thinking about Stones and don't get caught out because, like Stones like to do for man City and Southgate might do the same thing. I want Stones to come travelling with the ball, so one of them will have to understand the art of sitting. I think Bellingham will be the 10th, because I think Bellingham has been playing as a false 10, false 9 for Real Madrid. So, as Kane is dropping in deep Bellingham throws that pocket, it will go long.
Speaker 2:But Bellingham will find that pocket and get in behind, which will possibly give England goals, Because defenders will be thinking we know what Harry Kane's going to do, but then they're going to have to worry about. Okay, if we follow Kane, there's a hole, so that's why, I think Bellingham has to be the 10. Because Foden can't play that 10-roll he doesn't have the dynamism Because he hasn't got no one to play the ball to in front of him. So that's why because if Kane's dropping deep, foden's not smart enough to make them.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's the wrong way of putting it. He ain't got the dynamism to keep doing it.
Speaker 3:But to make them he's smart enough.
Speaker 2:No, but to make them run.
Speaker 1:That's an attacking run you can't say Foden ain't intelligent no, I'm not saying to make that, of course you can't say I'm not saying the attacking run.
Speaker 2:The attacking run is him saying yo Kane's dropped deep.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna make that run to stretch the pitch. That run is somebody you know like, because when you play at a high level when you play football, it's like some people just want the ball yeah, yeah it's very hard for people who like the ball to run without the ball. Yeah, yeah and that's where Bellinorm and that's why I said it's not intelligent it's his player profile, that's how he plays.
Speaker 2:That's how he plays. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:to be in that hole and I just had to quote it. Of course he's intelligent.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. We're not saying he's not a smart footballer but to do that role of running in behind he's not that smart enough to do that job. And if you're saying that's what I'm trying to say about the smart, I'm not saying he's not.
Speaker 1:You just said not smart, that's when you say player profile.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying, but to do that role If you ask why I say it's player profile?
Speaker 1:Because if you said to Bellingham and Foden, I want you to do 10 box to box runs each, yeah, and you start at the same time, I'm guarantee you that Bellingham no, but that's, that's fitness.
Speaker 2:That's, no, that's fitness. That's, but that's the player profile. No, that's fitness, but I'm saying Bellingham.
Speaker 1:That's Fellen will want the ball at his feet. Yeah, Some players are fitter than some of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we're not talking about fitness. Yeah, yeah, of course I'm not talking about fitness. I'm talking about Some players play on their fitness more than some don't they? No, no, foden wants the ball, doesn't he? But Foden won't make them run.
Speaker 3:Foden doesn't want to be without the ball does he no, no.
Speaker 1:What did you say about Watkins and Kane? Yeah, yeah, I was playing Because Kane wants to. What?
Speaker 3:Drop deep. Yeah, he wants to drop deep and Watkins wants to. What? Because he likes to make the runs behind. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But that's not how.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying you're bad, but the word. What you're saying is not intelligent, but it is smart. It is smart, that's his game.
Speaker 2:We were. You can't say he's not intelligent, no, no, no, he's not smart enough to do them runs. Even if he's not smart enough To do them runs, you have to be smart. What do you reckon, chubbs?
Speaker 1:You have to be smart to make them runs.
Speaker 2:He's not smart a good enough word.
Speaker 3:I hear what you're saying. I just want to know what he says.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's smart, but it's smart really, to make them run, you have to be smart.
Speaker 2:I agree with what you're saying if you look at top strikers who made them run, they're smart, they play on the last shoulder, they know when to make the run. Foden doesn't play that game. So to play in that role which you was talking about, reisel, maino, and how you get them to play in that role, if they're not, if you can't play that role, you're not smart enough to play in that role you're talking about, when he was talking about Bellingham in that thing.
Speaker 1:I just think the word not smart for top players is do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:like no, no, it's definitely the wrong wording. Definitely listen, I understand what you're saying I agree.
Speaker 2:Like I said, me personally, I don't think he's smart enough to do it, that's.
Speaker 3:I'm going to stand by that. You know what?
Speaker 2:In a way, you could Not me you could pull it that way. I don't think you could pull it that way If Kane was dropping deep.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you.
Speaker 2:I've been having a lot of phone calls about this Listen, if Kane was dropping deep, I don't think Foden would naturally think there's space. Yes, a smart thing this is what I'm saying. You could put it that way because you've got to read the game but if your but.
Speaker 3:Ben and Gordon will be smart enough if your style of football, isn't that?
Speaker 1:that's why we're talking about Rashford, because Rashford's style of football isn't.
Speaker 2:I really want to play but I think that's what I'm saying, but I think Rashford and Sterling look at the team he plays in, but Rafa and Sterling would make that run if Kane dropped these. But I think the simple thing is.
Speaker 3:Do you know what I'm trying to say?
Speaker 2:That's the smart about seeing that the man's left the game. Watch your strength, and then you've got to watch your strength.
Speaker 1:Yeah, obviously your strength is to get the ball.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:My strength is to run in behind.
Speaker 3:Yeah. My weakness is? I don't, yeah, but if you've got the opportunity and you're in the packing and you're on that 10 roll.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's football IQ innit. So what about Zidane then?
Speaker 1:So what about Zidane? Yeah, would you expect Zidane to be making box-to-box runs.
Speaker 2:Nah, then anyway, 10 is not a box to box. Playing in that 10 role Is not a box to box run. That's just saying Yo, there's space, I'm going to get into that space.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm just saying Foden, and it was Same thing what happened Against Iceland. Foden and Kane Were stuck to each other In the central areas and they couldn't break down because Foden didn't understand. I need to get out of this pocket maybe if you watch the game all Foden was doing was getting the ball couldn't turn, so pop it back. He didn't think. You know what. Let me drift out and then take a player out with me so it creates because he's used to playing in that city system.
Speaker 3:Though you know what I'm saying. That's what it is is that.
Speaker 2:Kane's fault. Is that Kane not being football intelligent? No, no, no, no, no. So did Kane have to know?
Speaker 1:that he's with a man who doesn't play. Oh yeah, no, no, did that make sense to you?
Speaker 3:yeah, but then we're going to every different it could be a domino effect then to every position to the man next to him or whatever.
Speaker 2:What's a free roam position? Yeah so it's not Kane position fault, it's Foden's fault for not thinking it's too dangerous in here.
Speaker 3:Let me try and yeah, but then then this is where it comes down to who you're playing in your team, bro, because if you've got two players that are clashing, yes, it don, and this is why. Play a pro for yeah yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. I'll say it again.
Speaker 1:I said it from the start it's play a pro for, but that's why, like I said, that's why I'd have to belly bump after 10.
Speaker 2:Anyway. So I think your striker has to be Kane. You know what I mean, even though he's the only goal-proven person in yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, so like and he's the captain.
Speaker 2:And he's captain. Yes, obviously he's got to start Saka yeah On the right and you go Foden on the left.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see, I was feeling to play Foden on the left. Did I put Foden on the left?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and all I'd ask him to do Is to just be, and just be like a free roll.
Speaker 1:I've actually seen Foden.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 3:The only reason I didn't put Foden on the left is because I don't think we should start Mainu.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there is that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:But the thing about it is, because yo if you didn't start Mainu, what would your midfield be? But that's the problem. You'd put Foden in your midfield.
Speaker 1:But I don't think Nah.
Speaker 3:I would never put Fodor as a centre mid.
Speaker 2:I've never put Fodor as a centre mid.
Speaker 3:No, no, but what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:because I wouldn't even put Benninger as a centre mid If I played Mainu it'd be the same as your squads. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Do you know what I'm saying? I just think that If you took Mainu out, who would you put there?
Speaker 2:You see that I'll put Gallagher.
Speaker 1:I'll put.
Speaker 3:But Gallagher's I mean, I've watched him play for England.
Speaker 1:He's looked. You can see the fans are looking at him. He gets the ball. He's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:He's a trier. Yeah, that's it, he's a trier. He's a trier Foden to do that job in midfield for England.
Speaker 1:You know the best player in midfield. I don't think it is, you know, the best play at midfield.
Speaker 3:but the problem is, like I said, it's so inexperienced yeah, this is the thing, but that's why I'm thinking of Maneu.
Speaker 1:You can't start him either, but Maneu when you play for man, you know you support man United, man United and Crystal. Palace expectations it's a different level and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And rare the man scored against City In the final.
Speaker 1:You know that final In the world. I reckon on that day that probably would have been the most watched thing on TV.
Speaker 3:Yeah, would you agree?
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably you know the FA Cup final man City versus man United. I think that would have been One of the most watched, most watched things in the world that day. Yeah, and Kobe scored and was banning the match. So when you?
Speaker 2:say I've got players in the tournament.
Speaker 1:You know, what I mean when you say.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not saying the pressure, though, but I'm saying he's coming up against.
Speaker 1:He plays for man United, doesn't he?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he's still.
Speaker 1:When you play for man United and you're playing, remember the man's not. You might say man United come eighth, but even when he plays for England he doesn't look like he's nervous.
Speaker 3:I'm worried about his game development yeah, this is what I'm saying. He's inexperienced, so for him to go into the Euros and start every game, bro, is crazy bro. But that's the or most games. But why did the?
Speaker 1:manager, not bring no one. This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Phillips or Henderson yes they're not Henderson, not Phillips.
Speaker 1:I think Henderson they're not playing well but that's experience, you know you can't buy it, mate like I said, so you're on the right that's a good debate about England, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like I said, I think that's got to be the squad. I think, like I said, if we're talking about, like I said, belongonga as a CM, I just can't see him wanting to do that role and like.
Speaker 1:I feel like, and being disciplined. We talk about.
Speaker 2:Mainu being undisciplined. I think he would be very undisciplined he's like a walker if he gets caught out, he's got the pace and the energy to get back. But I feel like he will just get caught out too easily. Like, even if you look at the Real Madrid, when he plays for Real Madrid, he's not in them areas he's not to be a 10.
Speaker 1:Listen, don't be surprised. I watched the semi-final against Bayern Munich and Madrid played. He was playing left wing for Madrid. They went with Rodrigo up front. They played four in midfield Bellin on left wing, Fran Verdi he's one of them players.
Speaker 3:I feel like he could just play he could play anywhere, and that's the problem. That's going to be a problem.
Speaker 1:That next year. Yeah, yeah, we're talking about clubs there, we're talking about, but obviously I'm just saying where's your left wing?
Speaker 2:you can put Foden there and then I'll just ask him to talk inside.
Speaker 2:Allow the left back to bump forward and then he can then play more centrally and have that creative spark there, but not play so wide. But then you're asking Saka to stretch it and obviously then yeah, obviously kane's gonna drop deep. And then you are say to bellingham find the pockets and the holes in in behind in it, yeah. And then you're not saying to bellingham, I want you to play, you got kane foden in them in that middle area coming inside to play, and then bellingham can be that second goal for it yeah, but do you think that's where you get the best out of Bellingham now In that position?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because look what he's done for Real Madrid Scored what 17 goals.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but then you remember, real Madrid is still Tony Cruz. I hear that. Come on, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're talking about different kinds of players, aren't we?
Speaker 2:But what I'm trying to say is that he's been playing there this season, so his confidence will be in that position. If he gets told to come to England and say I want to go sit in the midfield and just sit and play with the ball, he'll be thinking did you not watch me all season?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but then it depends how Southgate plays. He can play in that position and attack. You know what I'm saying. You know what? If he?
Speaker 2:plays centre mid. You're going to have to tell one of their midfielders you're sitting all game. I don't think he wants to. I think you need two. I don't think he wants to.
Speaker 1:I think most teams will. I watched the Iceland goal and what shocked me about the Iceland goal and people say this this is why it's. I might be contradicting myself, but I've got to tell it how I see it. Mainu and Rice were playing midfield. Rice was playing like number eight role. Mainu was sort of playing like six and eight. The one pass in where they should be one of them. They threw on goal. The man passed it to the left winger. The left winger come in shot goal. That's too easy and all that boils down to is player positioning really.
Speaker 3:But then that's why Mainu shouldn't be the deciding vote.
Speaker 1:But then Rice really shouldn't have been out of position. Yeah yeah, that was my worry about Declan Rice. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think they were just so fixated of trying to break down Iceland because they just lost their discipline and discipline is.
Speaker 1:You know these tournaments. That's what I say about player profile. You know certain player profile people. Rodri will know when to go, when not to go. You know he ain't that. He's got that football intelligence to say you know it's my time to sit Tony. Crows.
Speaker 3:Experience, Jorginho, you know these type of players you know, they will know.
Speaker 1:Nah, it's not. We can be patient here, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:but anyway, tobias, so you've got who's your winners, my winner, I think I'm going to agree with what Coppazee said and say Portugal. I think, as we all know, they still have the, the man, the god, the, the invincible, the dynamo, the, the, the invincible, the dynamo, the superstar, the man who just doesn't want to stop, and even today he scored two goals.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's two goals. You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean First game back for Portugal and you bag two goals. People say ah washed.
Speaker 3:I say watch him you know what I mean, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Two goals, first game back. And their midfielders they've got young midfielders who are coming up on their top level that Jao Neves.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you love to see him at United you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2:They've got the beast in the centre-back in Pepe, but he don't even play.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't know if he was playing. Is he playing?
Speaker 1:They've got them two youngsters, haven't they? They've got that Antonio Silva, haven't they?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And they've got that sporting defender, left-wit, left-sider and they've got Pepe. They've got real serious options at the back.
Speaker 3:How old's Pepe, like 40, 41? Same age as.
Speaker 2:Ronaldo.
Speaker 1:See, now he performs as Arsenal, don't he? You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean Like they've got. You know what. I mean Know-how. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying you know how, know-how.
Speaker 2:And even if Ronaldo doesn't want to play, they've got Ramos they've got Jota.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. That's what I mean. They've got a serious squad. That's proper teams and they've got experience.
Speaker 2:Like talking about a minute ago, and I might have been forgetting Felix and Liao as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, and some of these men weren't even start. Yeah, pedro Neto, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Everyone says to me about yo Pedro Neto to me is the best one-on-one player in potentially well. Lamar was really good at it as well, but when it take on obviously you've got Vinicius as well, obviously but he's right up there in the top five in the world of football for me one on one. I isolate a full back.
Speaker 3:I'm blowing past you and I'm doing it time and time again he plays on the right, he plays on the right, and both, he plays both like I said, we're not even talking about their flipping old school. They've got Paulinia yeah, yeah, big man linked with.
Speaker 2:Man United. Right about now, man United nah, he's looking everything's open, everything's open.
Speaker 1:Nah no, he's rejected him rejected the 30 mil.
Speaker 2:They want 60.
Speaker 3:Man.
Speaker 2:United are saying we might meet you somewhere in the middle. Nah, he's gone Bayern nah, nah, nah nah, he's not gone. Nah, he's still for real. They rejected him, so not. Then you still got Bernardo Silva If we got him.
Speaker 3:That would be good.
Speaker 1:People forget about Bernardo Silva. This is what I would love to say about Bernardo. This is where English bias comes into it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Bernardo Silva is better than Bernardo. People would say is Foden better than Bernardo Silva? I would say what are you talking about? I wouldn't say that John me, but everyone in England would. Oh yeah, but now the silver.
Speaker 3:English boy. A sentence by this boy you know, but now does.
Speaker 2:Silver is level and I want to say one other person, yeah, who's been a rock for Portugal anyway? Don't know, though Not me. My man's been a part of that squad.
Speaker 1:I think he's part of the squad. I don't think he plays.
Speaker 2:No, but he's been a rock, he's been a part of them. When they needed him on that pitch, yeah, to say yo shut everything down. Boom boom, boom boom, he's come on. I remember when they won the National Nations League and that he was a rock. You know what I mean. But they've got better options.
Speaker 1:They've got that experience that experience, it's that know-how, and what we're going to find with Portugal this tournament is that Martinez is an attacking minded manager, so he the handbrake Ain't on with these players now they are full throttle Going through.
Speaker 3:You didn't mention Bruno, then as well, listen you, let my man lose.
Speaker 2:And my man can be. Don't have to defend and say I can do what I want.
Speaker 1:Listen, you've gone with Portugal. It's a hat trick for me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's Portugal for me. Yeah, yeah and I think potentially Bruno.
Speaker 1:I've always loved him. Yeah, but he's infuriated at Manchester United. Yeah, because his discipline is really bad. Yeah, he runs around, he leaves big gaps.
Speaker 3:I feel like he has to do that at man United though, bro, but what I'm saying to you is Joe Paulinho will cover that now.
Speaker 1:Oh, 100% At man United you know and Vitinha you know. Vitinha, you know, was in the Champions League team of the year Paris Saint-Germain. What is Sanjuman?
Speaker 3:what is?
Speaker 1:he, he's a player profile. He just keeps the ball moving, knows his position and you know when Portugal, you know when they're coming against teams like England, they'll become. You know when they've got 11 man behind the ball, you need that player that just goes tick, tick, tick, tick, and him and Bernardo Silva and Vitinha, them two will be just ticking, ticking, ticking waiting for that opening and what they got. Now you talk about over player profile. On the left wing they'll have Liao, and Liao is one of the most exciting players. I mean, I've already talked about Neto, but when we talk about pure excitement, liao is right up there. When you don't know about real pace, Liao's right up there.
Speaker 1:Do you know what? I mean, so they've got you know, when you say Player profile Of different pieces To make the Best food in the world, they've got All little nice pieces that yo, this dish is lovely, do you know?
Speaker 3:what I'm saying to you Now imagine, imagine what you just said. Then All them attackers, yeah, big Portugal, and they're coming at Stones Gueye. Listen, listen An Jones Gueye listen listen unfit Shaw, listen out of form listen Kyle Walker.
Speaker 1:We all know what Bernardo Silva's done to Shaw in the past. It's been criminal. The only hope is that Walker's got Walker's playing centre-back and catch him with pace well that's the only way, man.
Speaker 3:They say Walker's sitting centre-back. Yeah, trust, that's the only way man. They walk, they sit in centre-back.
Speaker 2:yeah, trust me, catch them.
Speaker 3:That's the only way they're going to win, listen, listen, but he's been out of form, ain't he bud yeah, Like I said so, portugal is a hat-trick Right.
Speaker 1:The next one we're going to go for is your top scorer, so you're going. That was off, kubzy. Who do you fancy for the Golden Boom?
Speaker 3:Do you know what? I didn't even think about this too much, I'm happy to go if you want me to go. Yeah, you go, you go. Let me have a little drink.
Speaker 2:And I'm going to go with the man again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cr7. Cr7, yeah. Top scorer.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at their groups and I'm seeing at least a hat-trick.
Speaker 1:I'm seeing Turkey.
Speaker 2:I'm seeing at least two goals. Then I'm seeing Czech Republic. I'm seeing at least a goal. So I'm seeing goals.
Speaker 1:You think about Portugal. You can smile at penalties they love a penalty.
Speaker 2:They love it and, like I said, I'm looking at their group, I'm looking at everyone else's group and I'm thinking you've got tough games in there. There's at least one tough game in each group. Um, that's not mean, except for baldrum not mean. That's the only other team. I'm looking at their groups and saying you haven't really got tough games, so you're gonna have like tight wins in because they top, they get one in the third place.
Speaker 2:Now I'm on about the group, the group stages yeah. So I'm saying they're not in Belgium's group. No, I'm saying, except for Belgium's group, oh, yes, yes, sorry, all them other groups are. So you're looking at like 1-0s, 2-1s I don't see no teams running in a ray, unless you're playing like you've got sleep on hungry. No, no, no. But obviously what I'm trying to say? They're not recognized teams. Yes, but I feel like they will want to prove themselves in them type of groups. Looking at baldrums and portugal groups, they're all just going to be happy with second or third some of them teams and saying, yeah, you know, just win the group, you might win the group. Batter us, we'll beat the other teams so I'm going to go for my man CR7.
Speaker 1:Okay, you ready, Cubs. Or do you want me to go? You go.
Speaker 3:You go Right.
Speaker 1:I've got, I've got, I've got, I'm going to give you a group of players.
Speaker 3:you know, no, you can't do that, I can give you a little group.
Speaker 1:I can give you a little group. I can give you a group, I can.
Speaker 3:I could give you a group, I could say the back name of the park.
Speaker 2:I don't know People are listening Harry Kane.
Speaker 1:I thought I was going to say I'm going to drop that man there name. You got to pick the one. No, no, that man's got to come true. All right, toss, sorry, yeah, all right then. So we're going to go with it. I'm going to go with fancy Lukaku, but Lukaku top scorer, yeah I fancy.
Speaker 1:Lukaku. The group's lovely. You know he takes the. Belgium's built for him. You know that group there Romania, slovakia, ukraine it's built for Romelu. Do you know what I mean? He's in pretty good nick, he's fit, you know. Yeah, I'm going to go with Lukaku. You know he's proven at international level. I just think that it's you know, by the time they might get out of the tournament. You know, because sometimes these players can have six goals just in the group stages, can't they? You know they get to the quarterfinals. They've got five or six. Usually they don't usually get more than five or six to win the Golden Boot. Do you know what I?
Speaker 3:mean that to win the gold the boot.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's all it takes. You know what I mean With that group and I do think Ronaldo's right there as well with that group as well, but I'm just going to go with Romelu Lukaku.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, which one you saying?
Speaker 3:I know you're swaying.
Speaker 2:I know you're swaying. Yeah, I am spoke about that. They're going to win the tournament, so think about all of the goals.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I can't see I see him bagging penalties, but I do worry about him in the big games yeah, that's.
Speaker 3:I think. Once you come out of the group stages you come up against certain. You know what I'm saying penalties.
Speaker 2:I think, if we're talking. Portugal, if we're talking Portugal, I reckon Bruno Top goal scorer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 3:But I'm not going to say a man from Portugal.
Speaker 2:Okay, You're going to say Harry Kane ain't you.
Speaker 3:No, I'm going to give you a dark horse.
Speaker 2:Okay, you're going to say Rasmussen, yeah.
Speaker 3:Sesco.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh yeah, benjamin, okay, yes.
Speaker 3:No, no, I can't say that because he probably won't come out of the group. So do you get?
Speaker 2:me. I can't say that.
Speaker 1:I said a dark horse. My name's coming out of the group. You're a dark horse. You're a dark horse. You're a dark horse.
Speaker 2:I gave a dark horse on the top score.
Speaker 3:My name's coming out of the group, but.
Speaker 2:Rasmus, then Rasmus, yeah, I'll say.
Speaker 3:Because he's got the potential. Don't come out of that group. Look, rasmus. You know, what man I think you're. I think you scored against him.
Speaker 1:You know, what I'm saying, but three, three potentially out of the group. Do you know?
Speaker 2:what I'm saying so you're like I agree.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Okay, last one Player of the tournament.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to go with this one. Go on then I'm going to say the spring, youngster Lamao.
Speaker 1:Lamao, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think he's. I think the season he's had for Barca yeah, the season he's had for Barca yeah, set him up to similar to what Mbappe did, you know what? I mean yeah but even do it at the earlier stage. You know what I mean. I think, yeah, I think, I think he's gonna prove a lot of things which he can do and obviously Barca gonna make sure they keep hold of that man. So I'm gonna say him it's like a breakthrough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it might be a breakthrough.
Speaker 2:I think it's just a Show the world.
Speaker 3:I'm here, you know what I mean. Like.
Speaker 2:He's already. He showed it in the Spanish league, usually the player Of the tournament Doesn't he usually wins, don't they?
Speaker 3:Potentially it depends, because I'm just saying you Bellingham. You would have said Bellingham was Player of when? Well, nah, because he was like a breakthrough kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I mean we're talking about player of the tournament, yeah like you ain't fancy them, to which that just means you fancy them to go far.
Speaker 2:I think Spain are going to go far. I think, they're going to get to at least quarters but quarters ain't far enough to win the play of the tournament.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you quarters quarters when would you play in a tournament, quarter semis? When? Do you know, when do you know a player in a tournament coming out of the quarters? Never, no, I'm just saying I hear that, but if we're gonna.
Speaker 2:If I'm gonna say an actual player, then like that, that's my player. But to someone who's gonna win, I'm gonna say Musiala, okay, okay. I think Again, the same Principle applies To what I said about Jamal Musiala Now Saying to people yeah, you hear about me in Munich.
Speaker 3:Yeah, watch me against the rest of the world. He's a top player, I mean, I think I think it's.
Speaker 2:This is his tournament With the squad of players Germany has has now. For him to say yeah, I can show people what I want.
Speaker 1:There's some very good youngsters in this tournament. I like the way they football. This tournament's like a changing of the goal, you know. Like a changing of the guard. You know there's a Moussa Lalli-Lamal Passing the baton. You know, like you know Liao, you know there's players there where you're saying yeah.
Speaker 3:Yaseko.
Speaker 1:Hoism Neves. I like it Neves yes, it's good, it's good tournament that's what I mean.
Speaker 3:I think there's going to be a lot of them, little kind of breakthrough guys.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying people like Albania and all them boys you're going to watch some of them boys come through, some youngsters see, I like watching them.
Speaker 3:Teams though. You know them. You know them teams, you expect just to. But then this is the problem you need to watch.
Speaker 1:You need to watch all the teams but, like I said, I'm going to go now. I'll leave you to finish. You can finish off. I'm going Bruno Fernandes the way he's ended the season with United and the way he plays for Portugal and the way that the manager's got him playing. I was debating whether to go with top scorer, so I think he's going to. I think, if you're, you know it's mad when I watch Portugal. What's what's mad is that, even with Bernardo Silva Leão and all them lot, he seems to be the guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know like he seems to be that guy you know like. So for him to be that guy for Portugal, maybe sometimes the disrespect he gets at United we need to kind of hold on to him. We've got one of the top boys here.
Speaker 3:He gets disrespected at United because it's United.
Speaker 1:We've got one of the top boys here. He's captain material, bro. He really is the top boy. But like I said, before, probably with discipline and whatever, and not having that midfield connection to you. Know my weak, my strengths. I need someone to sweep up my weaknesses yeah, yeah, yeah do you know what I mean. At United he's got strengths, but his weaknesses make our weaknesses even worse do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah but at Portugal, with Paulinho and Vitinho sitting there, because it's the first time in Portugal. They used to have Carvalho and Paulinho swapping over sometimes, neves, it's the first time I've seen them with a two where I'm like yeah that two is like I think that can work yeah, yeah, yeah and that gives my man the freedom to essentially not do. He does do what he wants yeah, yeah but that gives him the freedom to think you know what I can do, what I want, but it leads to a discipline.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:So I'm going with Bruno Fernandes for the top player of the tournament.
Speaker 3:See, because you've gone with him, I feel like I need to pick someone else. No, no.
Speaker 1:I said he's my top scorer. Yes, you play with the tournament. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:There's no top scorer, then yeah, simple as that Bruno, bruno, it's got to be man.
Speaker 1:It's got to be. This has been a pleasure. This is the longest podcast I've done. We've had a load of fun. Thank you very much, cubsy.
Speaker 3:Thanks for having me bro.
Speaker 2:Thank you, tobias, really appreciate it no problem, man Enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:Really enjoyed it. Thank you very much for listening. It's been a pleasure. Goodbye.